another $5 billion. we have a huge defer sit and we throw it at a time when people are saying we merged from chaos to chaos i think there starts to be political pain who have to defend why they agreed with the president. >> and take a listen. somebody asked president trump the federal workers will be paid at least the back pay about the pain that they feel because of the shutdown. can the president relate? here is what he said. >> i can relate. i'm sure that the people that are on the receiving end will make adjustment. they always do. and they will make adjustment. people understand exactly what's going on. but many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck, many of those people agree 100% with what i'm doing. >> now, earlier today we asked julie about this. she is a federal contract