surprising if he went forward with it. >> all right, so, jerry nadler, obviously, is now very significant in congress, right, as a chairman judiciary. and has come out and said -- not that the president is going to mislead, he's actually saying the president is using the l-word, right? the lie word. not "not telling the truth," but lying. when you hear him say it, here it is. >> i expect the president to lie to the american people. why do i expect this? because he has been lying to the american people and his spokespeople continue lying to the american people. >> so quickly, that means when it comes to congress, it doesn't seem this whole pr push this week is going to do anything in terms of a shutdown. >> this will have actually nothing to do with a shutdown. my biggest concern about the speech is that the president will go into the oval office and continually lie. and when he does that, that's really going to sully the oval office. we just haven't seen it at this level from a president and certainly not coming straight from the oval office. >> juliette, shutdown ending