sure that we can find a solution, but let's find a solution so that we take care of millions of immigrants that fear every day. let's start with two -- how about this. let's start with 2 million dreamers that we should legalize in this country and then let's begin to talk about the ransom of the wall. >> you'll never talk about the dreamers until you figure out the security piece. i'm okay with that, that's the prerogatives of politics. >> but in negotiating -- but chris, you asked me -- see, chris, you said luis, how do we resolve this. >> right, i gotcha. >> by bringing some balance. you get, something the others get something. >> i'm just saying doing it on the backs of american people with this shutdown, it should have never gotten to it and it's got to stop, amy, i'm always happy to have you on the show even when you demonize you. don't accuse me of doing something i'm not. you met that mother and her kid and there are many like her and she's doing this because the