that's what he says. most of the people at the border are fleeing the same drug cartels that are feeding the drugs that are killing americans. we should have a common purpose in all of this. and to say that those children are just as affected by the drug cartel and the consumption of drugs by american citizens, by american citizens, let's go after the cartel. let's go after the true -- >> i don't think that's a winning argument. i think the winning argument there, and i agree they're fleeing a lot of horrible things. >> you think we should create jobs? infrastructure, education? >> you're talking about our responsibility to those who are coming here, and i think our responsibility to those coming here is to actually work in guatemala and honduras and mexico and other places -- >> the president says he wants to pull funding from those places. >> but this administration and the past administration, as you know, luis, did a horrible job. let venezuela disintegrate before our eyes. >> the president says he wants to pull more funding from them to punish them. >> i think that's the wrong approach. but the bottom line is this has been going on for a long time. the reason they're coming here