trump is not guilty of anything. he's trying to insulate the president from any actual criminal wrong diagnosidoing. we don't know what comes of that and ma what mooler actually has. what i see is a strategy and a defense here well, there may have been some bad actors who were sharing information, who were working with the russians in their quest to destabliilize the election. the problem is how is the head of the campaign and ultimately the president do you not own any of that in if it actually happened? and secondarily we know there was a lot of contacts, whether it was his son talking to him after a meeting. the president knew a lot of stuff that was going onasa candidate and we have confirmation of the that by he runs everything. he is his own chief of staff. he's a gut player. the idea that he was totally insulated from that is pretty hard to believe. >> rudy giuliani will appreciate