one folding chair. that's not a good faith reasonable negotiation designed to move forward. the southern border must be secure -- >> i know that the current strategy and i hear your point because listen both parties are digging in on this. but as you know, the president owned the shutdown, he said so publicly. the president approved of legislation that would have kept the government open and then reversed his position on that. as you know, the president at a minimum -- >> we've never reversed our position on border security, brother. that's your taking point, you can stay with it. but the truth is -- >> it's not my talking point, it's a fact. >> the truth is the shutdown didn't have to happen and it can end in a meeting. >> it n fairness, it's not my talking point. the president supported legislation and then reversed support for that legislation. you're a former cop as well. is it worth damaging security,