elections in our lifetimes where a third party or an independent candidate made up the margin of difference but did not come close to winning. either winning in the primary field generally obviously or winning in the general election. so it's possible that howard schultz would be a spoiler. i find it hard to believe that he actually would end up being elected president. but after 2016, i've learned any sort of guess as to what the outcome will be is likely to be wrong on my point. >> but spoiler yes. >> spoiler, yes. i had a cup of starbucks coffee first thing this morning, great cup of coffee. the real question is is the american interested in a repeat of donald trump, someone with no prior experience of government service and government, but someone in this case who has a stronger record as an eveningical business leader. >> want to ask you about venezuela. lindsey graham says the president went to him and swlaerd do you think about using military force in venezuela? and graham replied, well area