president rather than what makes sense for america, what enhances the security and prosperity of this country. i implore the president, i believe he will hold the line. he has to hold the line on this. again, this is a foundational promise. nothing can come before the security of the american people. all of the people on the border tell us that there is a crisis there. all of the law enforcement folks who are involved, the sheriffs, customs, border protection, so i think it's honestly arrogant for people to sit in tv studios and washington and in new york and say there's no crisis when the people who have to deal with it tell us emphatically there is. >> i just got back from south texas. there's not a crisis. there's a real problem with refugees, with asylum seekers, steve. they're not going to be stopped by a wall. they're coming to the ports of entry. the president is putting those kids in cages, that's the crisis. >> the asylum issue is a crisis. it is absolutely a crisis, and you're exactly right. >> and cages won't get us out of it. >> the complexion of illegal crossers has changed entirely, it used to be primarily young men. now it's largely families coming from central america. that's the definition of a