until the members of congress and their staff. until they see real hurting. if you weren't talking to the correctional officers or the tsa people or the fbis, if you weren't talking to the people on the front line, coast guard, everybody, you didn't feel the pain or see the pain. when people told me, joe, my insurance, i have to pay for my prescriptions for my daughter who has diabetes, i have to pay for that up front. i'm an essential. i have to go to work. have to make decisions, do i put food on the table? do i buy my daughter's medicine? do i go to work and put gas in the car? these were tough decisions and people were hurting very bad. >> we'll see what can be done. you have to have the continuing resolution process. >> they would live forever because you can never stop so you have to thread it through,