you'll see it's positive on that. as you build in more but you don't keep, but you don't keep, but you don't keep and when you get to where kamala harris was last night which is all there will be is single player, the majority of the country will get it through the employer, is gone. is that too far? >> i'll tell you, there are a lot of ways to skin this. you heard senator harris talk about her plan toward doing it. when i was running for governor of the state of florida, i talked about a federation of states where we might come together and use the collective bargaining power of those states to get better rates and prices for -- >> and one of the things that is clever about that is no state you could argue not even the federal government could take the transition costs. but if you create a cooperative you might. who knows what states -- there's so much politics involved, but you said i've got to try. harris doesn't have that in her plan. the question is does she back off of that as it gets out there