the rules and open up the markets to american goods, it would be a win-win for both countries. i don't think beijing sees that because they have a mercantilist system. i think the thing that makes these so critical is that this is the big enchilada when it comes to the economy and its performance over the next two years. donald trump will move forward with these tariffs of 25% some time in the spring. that will hurt both of us. >> yes, it will hurt us, too, christine. just look at the numbers out of caterpillar this week, the worst performance for caterpillar, a dow component, a huge indicator of the economy overall right in the heartland of america, worst performance in a decade. why? because of china's lowered demand yes. their economy is weaker but the trade war is hurting. if he goes ahead with this, doesn't it hurt u.s. companies