>> i do. i also think his game right now is to keep all of his options open. i think he tries to drag out this pretrial phase. i think he keeps giving the trump talk points to keep the pardon open. i think he loves to be in the spotlight and keep that going. i think for the moment he's raising money for his defense fund through tv and that's why he's going to keep it going. >> that's why people are saying if he doesn't go to jail, he would not be happy because he wants to attention, and he can use that possibly in a book or part of his story. do you disagree with that? >> well, i think all of that sounds great in theory when you're out flashing the nixon v. signs out in front of the courthouse. nothing concentrates the mind like an execution. nothing concentrates the mind like facing jail possibly. as much as roger stone enjoys the spotlight here, i think there may be a reckoning where he says i might like to walk the streets freely.