to lead to additional charges for roger stone in the conspiracy realm. but as far as this goes i don't think he will plea because he doesn't seem like that kind of guy, but he really ought to be looking for some sort of resolution. >> meaning stone? >> yes. he won't but he should. >> you said you won't think he will plead. didn't we hear that from michael cohen and other people, i'm not going to do it and all of a sudden oh, wait, what happened? do you think stone is cut from a different cloth? >> i do. i also think his game right now is to keep all of his options open. i think he tries to drag out this pretrial phase. i think he keeps giving the trump talk points to keep the pardon open. i think he loves to be in the spotlight and keep that going. i think for the moment he's raising money for his defense fund through tv and that's why he's going to keep it going. >> that's why people are saying if he doesn't go to jail, he would not be happy because he wants to attention, and he can use that possibly in a book or part of his story.