for that shutdown, particularly president trump. if we end up in another shutdown this time, do you think democrats will get the share of their blame? >> yeah, i think democrats in are danger of overreaching on this anna. the reality of this is that the last time around they came out of the shutdown as real winners. the polls showed it. voters showed it. they succeeded in putting the shutdown around president trump's neck. and this time around, i think what they are doing right now is they are sort of pushing and testing the elements. they see the republicans on the ropes. the democrats and nancy pelosi, the speaker, believe that mitch mcconnell and frankly president trump, but especially mitch mcconnell is not going to let the government shut down again. they think that they have some leverage here, that mcconnell cannot go back to his conference in the senate and say okay we are going to go with the president again on this and shut down the government again. it was a loser before. so i think you are seeing some effort by the democrats to sort of press the issue and see what kind of leverage that they can