the numbers are the numbers. even in it's worst years, the early 90s it was below the national average for similar size cities and in the mid 90s there was more of a focus on policing and a border initiative. i'll tell you more about that in a moment. the point is that construction of ballard fencing, that's the reality of the wall, that's all there is is ballard fencing. anything else you hear doesn't exist. isn't going to exist. it didn't start until 2008. violent crime actually went up slightly at that time. i'm not saying the wall caused crime, but i'm saying we do know the wall did not decrease it. fact. trump can get those numbers the same way we did. the president can check with his own fbi. now we hear people saying oh, well, we know where he got his information. >> remarks that the president made in the state of the union were stated originally, almost