banging his chair, this is not a tax, this is not a tax, this is not a tax, in interviews. and we tried to use that quote from the president. and we had judges ask, you know, counsel, for the government, what do i do with this? and when it was all said and done, the courts did nothing wit. this is not the first time that this president's statements are being used as a basis or i'll say, an excuse in this case, for one particular attack in a lawsuit. but historically, those out-of-court statements don't matter as much as the statistics they're going to have to bring in to demonstrate there is a real emergency. and the four corners of the law, as jeffrey said, which is where this battle is going to be fought. >> and also, another fact that the president has going for him is that he will bring arguments, factual arguments. now, they may be good arguments, they may be bad arguments. but a judge may say, look, i don't have resources to test