stephen miller, who is the president's point person within the white house on immigration issues, is not what you will hear in courtrooms. but when i sued on obamacare, you'll recall the president banging his chair, this is not a tax, this is not a tax, this is not a tax, in interviews. and we tried to use that quote from the president. and we had judges ask, you know, counsel, for the government, what do i do with this? and when it was all said and done, the courts did nothing wit. this is not the first time that this president's statements are being used as a basis or i'll say, an excuse in this case, for one particular attack in a lawsuit. but historically, those out-of-court statements don't matter as much as the statistics they're going to have to bring in to demonstrate there is a real emergency. and the four corners of the law, as jeffrey said, which is where this battle is going to be fought. >> and also, another fact that the president has going for him