gloria makes the point, roger stone has lived -- all of this stuff is roger stone 101 in political campaigns. the problem is that roger stone isn't in a political campaign. he's in a legal setting. i don't know how much that has sunk in. the disassembling. i think he struggles to tell the truth. i think he spent a long time being roger stone, priding himself on dirty tricks. he will go where other people won't. he knew trump was going to win before anyone else. i think he struggles in a setting in which not following the rules has no consequences. not following the rules in politics, you get a smack on the wrist when the press says you shouldn't have done that. donald trump didn't follow the rules a lot of times and is still the president. in a legal setting they can put you in jail. >> bianna, what do you think? >> in a way, the judge epitomized the opposite of who roger stone is. she didn't make it about