the border and you know it. he said he needs the border wall to stop human trafficking. he's got his buddy bob kraft linked up in the biggest trafficking ring they found -- >> hold on. you're bringing in a lot of extraneous -- bob kraft was not human trafficking. >> i never said he was. >> oh, no, i'm sorry. to be clear, to be clear, the women, the women who were involved in the what everyone is calling the prostitution ring, that is in fact trafficking. >> it is. >> i'm not here to defend bob kraft. >> i want to be clear about that. >> you can defend the president's credibility, i'm fine about that. you want to say not all of it is a intentional deception, that's fine. in this instance, he said he knew nothing about these payments, it never made any sense but he said it and he knew that it wasn't true. that's a lie.