congress, attacking the courts, attacking the free press. we want to hand down -- i want to hand down this country as democratic with a small "d" after this administration as before it. that's our goal. >> so i want to ask you about the at&t, which you raised, right? obviously now the parent of cnn. according to a report today, the president pressured gary cohn, who was then his chief economic adviser, director of the nac, to tell the justice department to block the merger between at&t and time warner. what will you do about that, if that is true? if there's actually proof that happened? >> that's very tricky, because i might on the merits favor blocking the merger, as a separate issue, as an antitrust question. but the president should not be weighing in with the department of justice on a given case. he should not be saying, you must block the merger or you must indict this person or you must not indict that person. and he certainly mustn't be doing it because he wants to hurt somebody, because hep doesn't like the news coverage that cnn gives.