the intel committee. i think people should look at documents and the interview transcript. i think schiff is trying to weigh two things. one trying to publish the interview transcript so that the public can see it but ton the other hand making sure he doesn't inadvertently shape, alter or taint the testimony of future witnesses that are coming before the intel committee. >> did michael cohen have documents that cooberate his testimony that he never asked for a pardon? >> i can't get into the specificsov specifics of it. i really think people should wait to review this before they jump to conclusions. the one thing i can say, which is widely known is that the president has been using the pardon power there a very unkron