richard her man, a criminal defense attorney. good to see you both. avery, the students and parents behind the lawsuit are arguing that their admissions process was warned and rigged by fraud, i'm quoting them, and that they would not have spent the kind of money to apply to these schools had they known the admission process was not fair. so do they have cases? >> well, it is a class action case for over $5 million. and essentially it is a consumer law case. and the lawyers are saying, well, if i applied at a university and i spent $80 and there was fraud going on and i didn't get in, that means they owe me $80. how in the world that they will connect these things is anyone's guess because while it sounds like a legitimate case, this lawsuit involves two stanford students, now only one. one dropped out. and that student is saying, well, i lost the $80 and the