honest? >> no one thinks the president is honest. >> they're so sick of politicians that say the right thing and stay pc. here's a guy who says, i don't care, i'm going to say whatever i want to say and you're going to know. i don't think hep stands to gain a lot out of this. there are a group of voters that are tracted to someone who is being that, in their mind, honest with them. >> so he's lying, but people like the fact -- some supporters like the fact that he continues to lie -- >> they think that every politician lies and that politicians are insincere and someone -- oh, he was my enemy before, but now i'm going to be nice to him. and they like the fact that someone says, oh, you know what, i still don't like the guy. >> but the vast majority of americans think he's not truthful, though. the vast majority of americans think he's not truthful. even the base, a plurality, thinks he's not truthful. >> it's interesting, because he's a person who's when he's with you in the room, he'll say