hell. >> yeah, i don't know him. he's a whack job, there's no question about it. but i really don't know him. he's -- i think he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife. kellyanne is a wonderful woman. and i call him mr. kellyanne. the fact is that he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wife and family. she's a wonderful woman. >> so, a husband from hell, is what the president called him, and just let that sink in. donald trump calling someone else a husband from hell. as i said, this is not normal. i want to bring in someone who once worked in the white house just to get a reaction to what's going on. jen psaki was a communications director in the obama white house. also with us is adolfo franco. adolfo, i mean, does this make sense? look, obviously, george conway does not like the president. i get that. kellyanne conway does a very great job defending the president publicly.