donald trump calling someone else a husband from hell. as i said, this is not normal. i want to bring in someone who once worked in the white house just to get a reaction to what's going on. jen psaki was a communications director in the obama white house. also with us is adolfo franco. adolfo, i mean, does this make sense? look, obviously, george conway does not like the president. i get that. kellyanne conway does a very great job defending the president publicly. i'm just -- even for an hr issue, the president commenting about kellyanne conway's husband -- it just seems weird, doesn't it? is this really something the president should be involved with? >> well, i think what's weird is how mr. conway has been evaluated by the press. you have to remember where this started. this didn't start with the president. this started with, yes, he is the husband of the wife of the counselor to the president. so i think the fact that he's