energize to ticket more than somebody that looks like the democratic party running with him. i'm going to stay neutral in this race because i'm running the data projects, but that would be something i would seriously consider doing if i were joe. >> okay, so let me ask and i want both of you to answer this. governor, ayou first. here's what people are saying. joe biden, stacey abrams, if that ticket happens, it's a done deal. what do you say to that, governor? >> nothing is ever a done deal, but in politics it would be pretty hard to refute that. stacey is someone who many of us believe was -- should be and has been the governor in georgia. she's unbelievably smart. she hit the, say, union rebuttal