surprise me if you have gone on to make a deal with the government. there's information that implicates -- if there's information that implicates the president, we have a national security issue. so you know, we need some kind of heads up. this is regarding to mueller report, whether the president's lawyers reaching out to the flynn side to sort of say hey, we understand that you guys are no longer sharing information. this happens right after that. and you know, we want to know a little more. obviously, there's a great deal of concern about the implication this has for the president. jim. >> evan perez, thanks for walking us through it. let's discuss with elie honig, and julie hirshfield davis. elie, put on your lawyer hat. how is that not obstruction of justice? you have the president's personal counsel saying this wouldn't be a good idea for you to cooperate. >> it's a great question. in the real world of criminal justice, this is obstruction of justice. let's come out and say it.