on immigration is far more important for his prospects than being sane on economic issues. i think larry kudlow's comments are probably reflective of the advice that he's getting today from people on his economic team. it doesn't matter to him because he cares about winning the election. and he thinks the path to that is on the immigration argument, and on the immigration front. now i would say on the polling front, it is interesting. there hasn't been consequences for him for tariffs. while the states that would be impacted, including with the new ones, places like michigan because of autos and car parts, he hasn't seen the political impact of that. even though people are being hurt economically, they're not changing their view of him or changing their support of him politically. so there haven't been consequences for tariffs. and he's looking at this and thinking this is something he can throw out there and show he's still tough to the base. >> so it's not shooting people on fifth avenue that -- and the base will stay with him. it's imposing tariffs that hurt them economically, but they'll