today and it's well within the understanding of anybody that's ever been involved in this business. it's just not something that you do because the stakes are so high. >> does the argument that yeah okay you shouldn't have russians giving you anything and shouldn't have been there the way clinton did. do you see these as analogs? >> there's no equivalence between the two examples. to openly invite foreign intelligence officers representatives from a hostile foreign government to steal information, to acquire opposition research in anyway, any illegal way they might do that is one thing. for a campaign to hire a law firm, an american law firm that then turns around and hires an american research company that then contracts out with a foreign individual, that is not illegal.