whether or not the american people deserve to have this conversation, and that's what's going on here. keep in mind that we still have sanctions in place. we still are being tough in this region, and the president has been clear and pompeo has been clear. the under the pat goal is complete verifiable, irreversible denuclearlation in the region. >> there has been no progress towards that. the president's allies and congress will say kim has not taken a step in that direction, there's no evidence of it. that's after hanoi, after singapore, and what does the president get out of it? because we see what kim gets out of it going to the dmz. >> look, victor i'll be the first to say a lot of times these photo ops are simply that, photo ops, but it is wise if you're in the area and if you are nearby to have at least that face-to-face opportunity to further the dialogue. i think more dialogue is better than less, and this is a good way to continue this conversation, but make no