are already socialism and open borders. >> here is the thing. literally no matter what we could do. we could adopt the republican platform today and the president would still say we are socialistists. we could build a wall and he would say we are for open borders. at the end of the day what he says isn't changed much for what we do. >> but if you are for positions that could be interpreted that doesn't it make the job easier? i know you didn't take the position that medicare for all and eliminate private insurance. you took it not just on policy basis but but you understood there is tremendous resistance to that. >> a lot of people don't want to hear we are snatching away private health plan process pet let's talk about what we believe in case make the case for it if the case is compelling even in areas that are somewhat unpopular we can begin moving american opinion in our direction. i don't think we should shrink from convictions. i do think that we should be realistic about what works. and flipping a switch and saying