this race, but the winner in my party is going to be the one that can appeal to people of color. so far mayor pete hasn't been able to do that. he can use the debate to do that because lots of and lots of those people of color are moderates. i think there's an opening for pete to do both of the strategic things they need. >> there's people talking about a possible rematch between joe biden. it is if they take the bait. if they're planning to just go after each other and if they are practicing right now for this rematch, which i guess you will say they are. >> oh, absolutely. first off, it's like when you have a fight with your spouse. like, i have the best lines like a week later after she's left me. but no. we all do this. and they're doing this now. but they're doing it with professional advisers. my guess is it's round two. this time it's personal. in other words, i think what joe has said in his interviews that he was kind of hesitant because he was shocked that kamala had