russia collusion. i don't buy that one. i mean, i think the president is right to say that the russia collusion thing, if what you're talking about the proof of a conspiracy -- >> but i'm not. and i think it's an important distinction. >> we went through this drill at the early stages. i tried to say early on the democrats were saying we're going to show collusion. what's collusion? collusion doesn't have any meaning? >> we agreed on that on this show early on. >> i think the president is right to say that the russian collusion narrative was a hoax. >> all right. here's the distinction. >> that's not the same thing. >> not the same thing as russian interference was a hoax. we're not going back. we're in agreement. >> he's conflating those two things. i think that's the answer. >> i didn't answer the question. >> go ahead. answer the question. >> that is the question. that is the question. >> why are they ducking from interference? because they see that as meaning there was collusion? >> he's not talking about -- you're not talking about collusion in your question. you're saying -- there's