whether it's honorable or not. >> i'm talking about congress. >> this is a talk show. i'm not a prosecutor anymore. you're not. we're talking about what's good for the country. is it honorable behavior? everybody retreats by blaming congress or saying it's not collusion. if the question is on a bipartisan basis we want good things to happen in america, and we want to have good guidelines and road maps for people should behave honorably in elections, i don't understand why it's so difficult to say if a foreign government approaches you and purports to have dirt on the opponent, you go to the fbi. >> that's a legitimate debate to have. unfortunately, we're not having it. and the reason -- >> we're having it right now. >> the reason is because what's on the menu is the question about whether or not there's going to be an impeachment proceeding which it seems after what happened today -- >> but one should not defeat the other, robert. you shouldn't ignore russian interference because you think it may hurt you in an impeachment proceed if you're the president watching this and you've been subjected to an