over stayed their visas. we need fix the crisis at the border and a big part of how we do that is we do not play into donald trump's hands. we wants to stir up the crisis at the border because that's his overall message. there's anything wrong -- >> but you are playing into donald trump's hansds. the challenge isn't that it's a criminal offense to cross the bortder. the challenge is donald trump is president and using this to rip families apart. the same immigration system needs a sane leader and we can do that without decriminalizing, providing health care for everyone and that's obama's homeland security secretary saying it it will cause further problems at the border not making it better. >> your are saying ignore the law and laws matterer.