in 2016 the way they turned out in 2012, what we would have seen was these margins in these important states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, they would have probably lost those states and hillary clinton would have won the presidency. and that's why trump's rhetoric could be so dangerous for his re-election campaign. >> you know who wins? african-american voters. their leaders in those communities, they should be all over the people who want to be president and the sitting president saying, what are you going to do for these communities? just don't trash talk baltimore. what are your solutions for it? i got to jump, harry. >> shalom. >> and with the president not backing down on these attacks, look, you know what the pattern is, he says it to get the effect with his base, and he says, you took it all wrong, it's fake news. what's it going to mean for the gop. it's time for a great debate with these two great men, next.