time, time will only tell. >> unfortunately, we have to fall back on that. but on your interview with m manchin, because i think that manchin told you something important, that you told president trump that no gun safety bill is going to pass, because obviously he's been pushing something ever since sandy hook, but no gun safety bill is going to pass, will succeed without trump backing it. and i hear that, but again, we have seen the senate buck the president before, force the president's hand on big issues. russia sanctions is one example. when what are you hearing from manchin and the other lawmakers you're talking to on why gun measures are so different? >> well, the advisers and folks in the white house think exactly what manchin thinks, that if the president doesn't go out and give cover to supporting a bill that is seen as limiting gun control rights that there could be serious recriminations for