very demoralized and they're kind of trying to keep their heads down and a lot of them are saying, i'm trying to get assigned as far away from the united states as i can. i'm disturbed by what's going on. a lot of them are trying to wait out the trump administration and hoping for better, more saner times in the future. obviously in the case of chuck park, his conscience nagged him and he felt he could not be part of this monstrous administration. you know, i admire him and i respect his stand on principle, but it's a very difficult dilemma, anderson, i think everybody in the government faces because if all of the good people of conscience, if all of the dedicated public servants resigned in protest, who is going to be left? it's going to be people like stephen miller and these crazy ideologues who run the government. >> they might deride them as bureaucrats or deep state. but these are people who have dedicated their lives to