that always complicates the issues when someone's rational state is influenced by narcotics or alcohol, so that alters their mental state. and there's going to come a point in time that there's absolutely no -- i would think at least, there's going to come a point in time where there's no communication at all that the police are going to have to start kind of probing and seeing what information they can gather that might be going on inside that room. >> james, this is a densely populated area. there have been shots fired for hours, according to police, from at least one shooter inside this building. do they just let that continue and as long as the area is, you know, secure and cleared out of people who might be hit. >> the important thing right now are the two officers who are trapped inside because you don't want this to turn into a hostage