they've said we want a deal of equals. we're dealing with a president who shows time and time again that winning to him is crushing the other side. there's no win/win with him. unless the president changes and the chinese change. >> i don't know what a victory would look like. we don't know what victory would mean to this president. he keeps changing his mind about what concessions he wants from china. he wants them to buy more soybeans which they were doing before we launched this trade war. is it that he wants them to close the trade deficit which is impossible? is it about technological property? he doesn't know. how do you negotiate if they don't know what their own demands are? so there are a lot of ways to make everyone worse off at this point. i don't know what the solution is to make everyone better off particul particularly. >> obviously we are now heading into the election season. the president has been under water for his entire presidency in terms of job approval. the one area where he's been above is the economy.