we can. >> how much do you trust republicans to be -- to be truthful negotiators? >> i don't trust them very much, to be honest with you. if we look like we're trying and they look like they're lying, then we are going to do good in 2022. what the public wants is to try something. if we try it and we look like the people that were trying hard to do something and not the people that pulled out and were being unreasonable, that's going to cause us to pick up senate and house seats. then we can do things that people are talking about. we can't do it under the current alignment that we have in the congress of the united states. that's just a fact. i wish people would realize this and give the president some operating space here. he has some good things on the table. he has done some good things. i think he will be in a position to do more. it might not be as fast. >> you did an interview recently