them down in front of the microphone and collecting some testimony so we all find out about the sort of activities that were going on under sessions and trump. >> norm, don't get mad at me, but doesn't congress kind of stink at this? how many hearings have we watched where it becomes a circus and they're all posing with their questions. but most of the time, they're not that great at this, are they? >> well, chris, that's why you bring in outside council. i had the privilege of doing it in the first impeachment of examining witnesses, kicking off the hearing by examining the witnesses and then the members ask their questions. every important investigation of the modern times from watergate on down, they've brought in outside councsel to help organie the work and that's what's going to be needed.