has also given a lot of ground chinese telecoms company huawei will likely not see its technology banned from use in any future. ultra high speed five g. mobile data network in europe its inclusion was a controversial matter because of the company's government tiny's and fears of digital espionage to you now both sides have to live up to their grand declarations something they've often fallen short of in the past. now the chief executive of one of germany's biggest industrial names the man says europe needs to play ball with china earlier this year joe qasr also took on the leadership of the asia pacific committee of durban business or a.p.a. it represents german business concerns in the region d.w. as kate ferguson caught up with him a short time ago. now you yourself have extensive experience of doing business in china what challenges did you encounter there and how in your new role as head of the a.p.a.