the voters don't want to face up to this, neil. they yus want to be angry. >> oh, man, come on, they want to be angry? >> ben. >> i don't know if they want to be. >> they don't want to be angry, rightfully angry, but to ben's point. ben it's a sad state if we can't figure out how to cut the entitlements. >> we can't, we can't. >> or start one or two new wundz. >> totally agree with you, i was not a supporter of the health care bill. the fact is we need to spend an awful lot of money to keep our government going and we're going to have to raise taxes. we didn't have 0 cut taxes, we're in a fine fiscal footing. bush should not have cut taxes and go back to the tax situation before bush i think we could get it straightened out. >> neil: i love you dearly, ben. but i know charles is hearing bugles, i don't know what you're hearing. >> hoof beats e whatever. with enemies like los angeles and san francisco and now the united nations, ear arizona's