to do because you're serving god. so the government doesn't have to do it. when you have a progressive pushing this, it gets a little spooky. i want to bring in our guest. kitty worthman who knows all about the coopting of religion under government because she lived it under hitler. she was 12 years old when nazis took over her country and oh the tales she can tell. pastor lawrence white joined us from texas. he is the senior pastor of the savior lutheran church in houston. he delivers sermons regularly on this topic. the author of a new book, no, he's not the author of a new book. my next guest is. he is in the audience, ralph reid. he is the chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. he is the author of a great new book called "the confirmation." we will talk to him. i asked him to come because he's the boogie man. the left goes ralph reed --