they call wanted. they are suffering the consequences for it. but they shouldn't try to shade it that way. i don't think that helps his credibility problem. >> greta: they are not out bragging, they are defending. which is not a powerful position to be when you are on the verge of going into election. you want to be bragging about the great things you did not defend or explain. >> they thought last february by now everybody would at last be calmed down and not as mad about it or start to realize some of the benefits of it. intensity against this bill is just as high. karl rove will have something in the "wall street journal" tomorrow talking that. >> greta: the way it is structured doesn't go into effect -- a few things have gone into effect but it is hard to have anything to sell to the american people, because we haven't yet seen the things that are supposed to be -- >> one of the things popular for some, if you are a family and you have children in college that you can keep your