>> it is a tricky position for barack obama to be in and, the dnc are backing off of their origin that involvement, and the protesters leaving their jobs and protesting and, the people leaving the state, so they don't have to vote and as far as collective bargaining goes, that is the vehicle by which they got into the position where unions were paying less than 1% of their pensions and very little of their health care and that is the driver by which they got into the positions in the first place and as far as public employees go they are actually -- a special interest of their own, and they are able to pay to elect the bosses with whom they then negotiate. martha: exactly. >> and it's a tricky situation and you end up with really high benefits, and -- >> the politics of this for a moment, i'm fascinated by how the president will play this and, is it not, perhaps another potential leadership moment for the president to come out and say, sort of what you said, kirsten, look, these agreements
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