that it was a real lurch to the left, it was a victory for the big spenders in the democratic party. i think senator conrad would have had a more responsible budget, but that's not going to be well received. i think even among 14 democrats, the decifit commission appointed by president obama recommended $3 in cutting for every $1 increase in -- in increases, a modest spending reduction is not sufficient. bill: so this is even over and above what the president suggest add month ago? you say now they're 1-1, okay? so they're starting to even up. the problem is folks like you and john boehner, mitch mcconnell, they've all said that if you want to raise taxes, you can forget about that. that's where the rubber is going to feet the road. >> american people do not favor more taxation. they believe we need to get our house in order first. they believe we need to establish that we can contain spending and we'll