work. if you're needed to fight a fire or something critical but instead, they're running off the clock. last year, this paid something like $300 million in departure payments in california many you got to stop that. that's crazy. >> all right. if you're trying to balance the budget and trying to tighten your belt, this might be a way. you know jay wisicer? he's the department of forestry, he worked there for 37 years. he says he's battled hard floods and fires. he made $295,000 in his exit package along with whatever pension he has. but he said look, i'll defend it. i worked 80 hours a week. i would just take the overtime and just say you keep your days because he knew down the road he'd get it. >> so many teachers, workers are getting laid off because they can't afford to pay them in california. so people are retiring with $600,000 paychecks but yet, other people are getting laid off. >> that's the counter that he's -- >> she's not attacking me, right? >> no, it's not towards you. it's to your friend, so guess