which stands no chance in the senate. >> well, i actually think both things could be true. so, for example, i think the house will pass that, right? and then they can go out and say, we voted unanimously on the paul ryan budget which would significantly reform entitlement programs and cut the -- cut spending and we did this thing on the debt ceiling and then because that won't be the final deal, what ends up happening is you get a little bit of the mcconnell deal and i wouldn't call it plan b. i would call that plan f, maybe, and then -- >> plan b. >> and you add a little bit of cuts, a little bit of reform and at the end of the day, what's going to happen is president obama will sign a debt ceiling increase that will not have tax hikes and you will wonder why president obama didn't initially offer that deal and spent a month really getting pummelled in the press and in the polls. >> you know, some of these plans have long-term goals, the balanced budget amendment and to look at things down the road, do
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